WTF is happening to roadie outfits/brands? more flashy more expensive?
#126
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I bought summer jersey from q365 for 200eur, which was most expensive purchase, and it really worked in a heat. however jersey 'survived' one season (3-4 months), next summer it was already stretched, a bit yellowish and didn't protect from the sun so much.
In comparison, a few of my 'climbers jerseys' for almost 1/3 of that price are still intact after 3 years. (I hand wash my stuff to prolong longetivity and I do >1000km/month)
In comparison, a few of my 'climbers jerseys' for almost 1/3 of that price are still intact after 3 years. (I hand wash my stuff to prolong longetivity and I do >1000km/month)
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Are you saying that the Nylon in your very old shorts disintegrated, leaving just the Elastane? If that's the case, that is also curious, as Nylon is reported to be very durable and heat resistant.
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Watch out, we just finally had the latest anti Trek thread die out after all the those who had no interest in buying a bike rant about how that would especially include a Trek. You risked starting that repetitive tripe all over again yet this time regarding clothing. After all we know that Trek must have been behind big Lycra out to kill off those mom and pop wool Jersey knitters sprinkling itching power on every garment sold.
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Assos. Rapha. Maap.
Primal Wear? Seriously? Yikes.
Trek is mid-level at best.
Sugoi does make a few good items, but I'm betting your jersey(s) from that brand are from the low-end. (Are they "event" jerseys? If so, then they are definitely their cheapies. )
We've been through all of this before, and I am not the only person to have explained this to you. You keep arguing that the high-end stuff isn't any better, even though you've never tried any of it.
Trek is mid-level at best.
Sugoi does make a few good items, but I'm betting your jersey(s) from that brand are from the low-end. (Are they "event" jerseys? If so, then they are definitely their cheapies. )
We've been through all of this before, and I am not the only person to have explained this to you. You keep arguing that the high-end stuff isn't any better, even though you've never tried any of it.
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Assos. Rapha. Maap.
Primal Wear? Seriously? Yikes.
Trek is mid-level at best.
Sugoi does make a few good items, but I'm betting your jersey(s) from that brand are from the low-end. (Are they "event" jerseys? If so, then they are definitely their cheapies. )
We've been through all of this before, and I am not the only person to have explained this to you. You keep arguing that the high-end stuff isn't any better, even though you've never tried any of it.
Primal Wear? Seriously? Yikes.
Trek is mid-level at best.
Sugoi does make a few good items, but I'm betting your jersey(s) from that brand are from the low-end. (Are they "event" jerseys? If so, then they are definitely their cheapies. )
We've been through all of this before, and I am not the only person to have explained this to you. You keep arguing that the high-end stuff isn't any better, even though you've never tried any of it.
If I'm spending that kind of money it's gonna be where the body meets the bike...shorts, shoes, socks, gloves and of course a helmet. Jerseys don’t make much of a difference. Shorts, shoes etc. on the other hand have a huge difference in comfort and longevity. I have no problems dumping big money on shorts.
FTR...It's not that I can't afford the jersey's, it's just that I don't believe it is money wisely spent. You're mileage may vary.
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I own quite a few such jerseys, and have also owned some low-end jerseys (like yours). So I actually know what I’m talking about - as do the others who’ve tried to convince you of the same thing.
See how that works?
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We can just agree to disagree and move on.
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You would be incorrect. I have tried on those expensive jerseys at various places over the years just to see what all the hubbub was about. I can honestly say, that at the price they wanted, I was underwhelmed. There was no "WOW" factor at all and the price just made me shake my head.
We can just agree to disagree and move on.
We can just agree to disagree and move on.
A girlfriend once closely examined a high-end Italian jersey of mine. She expressed surprise at how beautifully constructed it was and at the quality of both the material and the stitching.
She asked me how much it cost. When I told her, she said, "If this were women's fashion clothing, it would cost at least twice as much."
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A pretty good deal.
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You would be incorrect. I have tried on those expensive jerseys at various places over the years just to see what all the hubbub was about. I can honestly say, that at the price they wanted, I was underwhelmed. There was no "WOW" factor at all and the price just made me shake my head.
I’ll add this: if you’ve only ever tried on these jerseys in stores, you should have at least noticed that they are made of better textiles, they fit better, etc. Even then, you’re not really equipped to judge their performance. For that, you need to ride in a really good jersey – – you might notice that it wicks moisture and regulates body temperature better, that it has less extraneous fabric to flap in the breeze, that the pockets are easier to access and hold things more securely, that it does not ride up in back or droop down like a cheap jersey, etc. A lot of good cycling apparel feels like it fits poorly when you’re standing up in a shop, and then it’s perfect once you’re on a bike in riding position. Lots of little seemingly small improvements add up to a big leap in quality.
Again, I’m not arguing that this kind of apparel should be “worth it“ to you. But for you to judge it without ever trying it? That’s just silly.
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You would be incorrect. I have tried on those expensive jerseys at various places over the years just to see what all the hubbub was about. I can honestly say, that at the price they wanted, I was underwhelmed. There was no "WOW" factor at all and the price just made me shake my head.
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I’m a little bit confused now: you’ve been claiming that the “high-end” jerseys are no better than your cheapies. Is that the argument? Because now you seem to be arguing that they’re just not worth the asking prices - which is a very different thing. “Worth“ is subjective. If you’re stating that those jerseys are not “worth it” to you, you’ll get no argument for me. But hopefully you can acknowledge that for other riders – – people who have other priorities and goals, who ride longer distances and perhaps on different terrain, and who have different budgets – – those expensive jerseys may be “worth it.”.
I’ll add this: if you’ve only ever tried on these jerseys in stores, you should have at least noticed that they are made of better textiles, they fit better, etc. Even then, you’re not really equipped to judge their performance. For that, you need to ride in a really good jersey – – you might notice that it wicks moisture and regulates body temperature better, that it has less extraneous fabric to flap in the breeze, that the pockets are easier to access and hold things more securely, that it does not ride up in back or droop down like a cheap jersey, etc. A lot of good cycling apparel feels like it fits poorly when you’re standing up in a shop, and then it’s perfect once you’re on a bike in riding position. Lots of little seemingly small improvements add up to a big leap in quality.
Again, I’m not arguing that this kind of apparel should be “worth it“ to you. But for you to judge it without ever trying it? That’s just silly.
I’ll add this: if you’ve only ever tried on these jerseys in stores, you should have at least noticed that they are made of better textiles, they fit better, etc. Even then, you’re not really equipped to judge their performance. For that, you need to ride in a really good jersey – – you might notice that it wicks moisture and regulates body temperature better, that it has less extraneous fabric to flap in the breeze, that the pockets are easier to access and hold things more securely, that it does not ride up in back or droop down like a cheap jersey, etc. A lot of good cycling apparel feels like it fits poorly when you’re standing up in a shop, and then it’s perfect once you’re on a bike in riding position. Lots of little seemingly small improvements add up to a big leap in quality.
Again, I’m not arguing that this kind of apparel should be “worth it“ to you. But for you to judge it without ever trying it? That’s just silly.
I'll grant you that the fit and finish, design and aerodynamics get better with price. Designing clothes is difficult and complicated fit features are both difficult to design but also to sew together which shows up in price. I recently had to re sew a necktie and there is a reason why those things cost as much as they do. But if fit factors become unnecessary, the argument of better fabrics stops holding water after reaching a certain price point. Synthetic technical fabrics are really inexpensive and there isn't that much price variation between the high end and dirt cheap.*
The izumi jerseys I have use really good fabrics. I have some similarly priced jerseys which don't get near the same level. I've also had some top tier Italian boutique jerseys which and the fabrics were frankly pretty similar.
* In summer fabrics. Winter technicals gets a bit more complicated because then we get waterproof factors which cause pretty high price variation.
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I suspect most of us don't have enough knowledge of fabrics and clothing construction to be dissatisfied with the normal $80-$100 jerseys. It's good that options exist for those who are more discerning and for those who are less. Having champagne taste on a beer budget would be discouraging so I'm not inclined to educate myself, will remain content in my ignorance.
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I think high end product pricing is probably a mix of brand and quality. Some random off-label maker could get their hands on the same fabrics and stitching and sell for a good amount less.
Eg. I'm sure this is a nice piece of cotton, but that's not the reason for the price tag.
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Eg. I'm sure this is a nice piece of cotton, but that's not the reason for the price tag.
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#146
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Also, when you attribute high product pricing to the brand name, bear in mind that that often brings tangible benefits. Two examples: I once crashed in a fairly new Assos jersey; sent in a couple pics, and they declined to repair it but did send me a substantial discount code for a replacement. Also once accidentally put a small tear in a nearly new Rapha jersey -- which was totally my fault; they sent me a discount code equal to the price I'd paid for the jersey. (And my local seamstress repaired the tear for about $7.) I'm pretty sure that no-name brands wouldn't offer those perks.
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The higher price jerseys that I've looked at just don't appeal to me with the color options & logos. If they allowed for a true custom option for aesthetics, I probably would have a different opinion. They do fit well though & most sizings are accurate, again, my opinion.
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Check out some more then. There must be some high-end options that you would like.
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I suspect most of us don't have enough knowledge of fabrics and clothing construction to be dissatisfied with the normal $80-$100 jerseys. It's good that options exist for those who are more discerning and for those who are less. Having champagne taste on a beer budget would be discouraging so I'm not inclined to educate myself, will remain content in my ignorance.
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Their aero jerseys were $120-$165; on closeout they are $48-$66.