Caught on cam: Bicycle crushed by tanker truck
#76
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Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
Stand next to a truck, and get rolled over... Perhaps if one is lucky, lose both legs... ok, so perhaps a good payday from court, but one's life is vastly different from that point forward. Or... or course, there is death, in which one's family might sue.
I'd still rather ride safely, and survive another day. Perhaps donate a bicycle to the great garbage masher, but otherwise survive unscathed.
Ride defensively, and you may not be able to wheel into court in a wheelchair claiming you had the right of way... but, personally, I'd rather not get smashed up.
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Is that what you're going to use in your defense in the case of an accident and you end up in court? Do you think all of the aformetioned "the cyclist" shoulda, coulda, woulda done this or that will get him let off? Good luck to anyone using that mantra in convincing a judge on your idea of common sense rather than the law.
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"So you're okay having three times as many trucks on the road"
and my reply was regarding the size of the asian's vehicle requiring less gas therefore not as much refuelling trucks required there than here in America with their big gas guzzlers.
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Yes we are, but you said:
"So you're okay having three times as many trucks on the road"
and my reply was regarding the size of the asian's vehicle requiring less gas therefore not as much refuelling trucks required there than here in America with their big gas guzzlers.
"So you're okay having three times as many trucks on the road"
and my reply was regarding the size of the asian's vehicle requiring less gas therefore not as much refuelling trucks required there than here in America with their big gas guzzlers.
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Zero vision.
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Wow, all from a few seconds clip. Have YOU had to get out of the way of an inept CDL operator? Any dash cam footage demonstrating your smarts?
So again, nobody has learned lesson one about combination vehicles.
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So again, nobody has learned lesson one about combination vehicles.
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Vision of what?
Would you care to decode your post so we can all understand it?
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Zero vision about what?
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When an inept operator crashes into a bridge, we don’t blame the bridge.
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For the fourth time, what is "Zero vision"? Was this just the result of another problem you have understanding words? Why do you keep avoiding replying?
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Depends on how long the load it and whether or not the object is in his aided field of vision.
On top of that the driver is trying to make a complex turn with a JOINTED vehicle, and if you've ever pulled and backed up with a simple trailer you'll realize the mechanics of this are a lot trickier than a single vehicle. But then again, try a school bus or large delivery truck (like the beer truck).
These things are why commercial drivers are often required to get a special license with special training.
On top of that the driver is trying to make a complex turn with a JOINTED vehicle, and if you've ever pulled and backed up with a simple trailer you'll realize the mechanics of this are a lot trickier than a single vehicle. But then again, try a school bus or large delivery truck (like the beer truck).
These things are why commercial drivers are often required to get a special license with special training.
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But if traffic is stopped, why wouldn't a cyclist filter up to the front? The truck appeared to be stopping, assumedly for the traffic light. If you assume that every vehicle can turn into every driveway, how can you even ride?
You'll get killed riding next to large vehicles turning like that. This reminds me of the saying "if you can't see me, then I can't see you" that I saw on some trucks. I would need to see eye contact from the driver to continue. Otherwise, stay behind. You also need to look at the front wheel to see if its turning or not. Too many cars don't use a turn signal in the city here. I think trucks are better on that from what I've seen.
The bicycle rider did nothing "legally" wrong, but IMO she was very wrong to hang out by the passenger door of the big rig.
Every vehicle has blind spots where mirrors can't see, she might very well have been in one. I do agree the truck driver should of remembered passing her earlier.
That is absolutely the worst spot to be especially on something as small as a bicycle.
Did anyone else notice that she swerved over the line closer to the truck at one point?
Every vehicle has blind spots where mirrors can't see, she might very well have been in one. I do agree the truck driver should of remembered passing her earlier.
That is absolutely the worst spot to be especially on something as small as a bicycle.
Did anyone else notice that she swerved over the line closer to the truck at one point?
A few thoughts in response to the quoted posts and the situation in general: Several people say that the cyclist shouldn't pass on the right. But it appears there was stop-and-go traffic as they approached an intersection. I'm not sure if there was one here, but when there are bike boxes, aren't riders *supposed to* pass the stopping/stopped motor traffic to get up to the bike box? It looks like that what she was trying to do.
Passing a truck close to a potential right turn at an intersection is asking for trouble, but based on when the blinkers came on, there was virtually no indication that the truck was going to turn into the driveway. Even the sounds of a decelerating truck does not indicate it's going to turn... remember the traffic was stop-and-go.
Yes, a savvy cyclist will see the danger without even thinking about it too much, and take appropriate action, but really I look a the cyclist in the video and it's hard for me to blame her. She's in the bike lane. She has the right of way. Traffic is stopping so she's going to ride the bike lane to the bike box (or at least the stop line in the bike lane at the front of the intersection), and there's really no reason for her to expect the truck she's alongside to suddenly cut her off. No, it's not smart to pass on the right, but if the truck had slowed down enough that she thought it was simply stopping in its lane, why would she suspect it might suddenly be a danger? Luckily she's got experience now and didn't lose her life getting it.
And from the truck driver's side, he's absolutely supposed to be aware of the bike lane and whether there are bikes in it, but he probably makes similar turns into gas stations 5 times a day and he'd never even seen a bike in a bike lane that he had to turn across before. Yes he should be aware of the possibility, but when you never have personal experience with bikes you kind of grow numb to the possibility.
I don't know... this one really bothers me.
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I'm going to stop right here and give the blame to the cyclist for lack of knowledge and a few other judgement call failures. Fortunately she will live to know better and ride again and if lucky the driver's insurance company will repair/replace the parts or bike.
Cautionary tale.
Cautionary tale.
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And one last thing...triple trailer rigs usually head straight to the delivery point or shipping center and unload or scan, relump before returning to the road. Or the truck stop. I've seen local drivers who park their bobtails next to their house or in their driveway too.
But no, you can't get multiple trailers through most city traffic, that's why they make 'truck routes'.
But no, you can't get multiple trailers through most city traffic, that's why they make 'truck routes'.
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It wouldn't stop the accident because the curbed bike lane would have a break in the curb for the driveway.
But if traffic is stopped, why wouldn't a cyclist filter up to the front? The truck appeared to be stopping, assumedly for the traffic light. If you assume that every vehicle can turn into every driveway, how can you even ride?
But if traffic is stopped, why wouldn't a cyclist filter up to the front? The truck appeared to be stopping, assumedly for the traffic light. If you assume that every vehicle can turn into every driveway, how can you even ride?
My point is that a separated and curbed bicycle traffic lane offers no added protection when it isn't there around driveways, and cars are unlikely to turn into the bike lane when there isn't a right turn to be had..
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And one last thing...triple trailer rigs usually head straight to the delivery point or shipping center and unload or scan, relump before returning to the road. Or the truck stop. I've seen local drivers who park their bobtails next to their house or in their driveway too.
But no, you can't get multiple trailers through most city traffic, that's why they make 'truck routes'.
But no, you can't get multiple trailers through most city traffic, that's why they make 'truck routes'.
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Got a close call today.
I went for a short ride at evening - mostly flat on paved trail.
There is a secondary trail that connects to the main one, and a lady comes out on her bike and turns left and her husband/partner stops.
So, I just kept pumping but when I get to the T, a little bike shows up and if I were 1 second later probably had crashed with the little kid.
Lesson learned - will slow down next time in this kind of situation.
I went for a short ride at evening - mostly flat on paved trail.
There is a secondary trail that connects to the main one, and a lady comes out on her bike and turns left and her husband/partner stops.
So, I just kept pumping but when I get to the T, a little bike shows up and if I were 1 second later probably had crashed with the little kid.
Lesson learned - will slow down next time in this kind of situation.
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Maybe we could just install underground gas and diesel lines to the stations, and no need to drive the tankers through town.
For that matter, run the lines to the houses, so one can just fill up in the garage.
For that matter, run the lines to the houses, so one can just fill up in the garage.
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There was that horrible natural gas pipeline explosion a few years ago that caused fatalities, if you had forgotten.
Or was that a petroleum pipeline that was breached by excavations...
anyway it killed two kids.
Or was that a petroleum pipeline that was breached by excavations...
anyway it killed two kids.
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