Pics of fast bikes with triples?
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It's always nice to bring granny along for the ride.
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I just sold this bike, but this was a rather speedy triple!
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"Fast" is a relative term.
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In general I have triples on all my riders, they would be fast with fast riders, me, not so much.
Most of Jim's touring builds and many others had them, many he made himself and many had the Campy setup that he also made and sold a 42t adapter with 31t inner ring.
Pink/purple JM027 has a Dyna drive that he made for the 3rd owner after they bought the frame and had him build up.
MTB JW338 also has a Dyna drive that is original to it with pedal adapters that Jim also made.
Most of Jim's touring builds and many others had them, many he made himself and many had the Campy setup that he also made and sold a 42t adapter with 31t inner ring.
Pink/purple JM027 has a Dyna drive that he made for the 3rd owner after they bought the frame and had him build up.
MTB JW338 also has a Dyna drive that is original to it with pedal adapters that Jim also made.
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merziac i never not get a little giddy over your merz herd.
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
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My one and only road bike with a triple.......and I am thinking of converting it to a double.
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merziac i never not get a little giddy over your merz herd.
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
That would be mine, its in the post above as well and the pink/purple one was Jim's that he built for himself.
This one is almost completely original, got the panniers from the original owner after the fact when I found out he was just down the road from me. He had all the original paperwork, catalogs, notes, etc. when I got it I took the Eclipse adapters off as they were unsightly but then got the bags and put all back together.
It wasn't ridden a lot as it ended up being a bit small for him, it is in fantastic shape which of course is fine with me.
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no fooling??? (as zappa would say) i've saved that image to a tab on my browser so i could obsess from time to time....lol. only a little, though (not really )
i've seen your purple one on another web sight/image, as well. not just here on the forum. merzzzzzz!
i've seen your purple one on another web sight/image, as well. not just here on the forum. merzzzzzz!
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Let's add a bit of education to this thread to explain why some bikes were built with double cranks and others triple? I have a bike that came with an Ovaltech triple and this was new to me as I thought older road bikes only came with doubles. The guys in the 60's & 70's competed with barely any gears at all so at what point did someone say, "hey lets throw some more gears on". I mean it makes sense if you do any riding with any kind of elevation. Modern bikes come with 20 speeds at least, mostly 22 now and mountain bikes started with triple cranks a long time ago.
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The pic you posted is from one of the shows at VeloCult, we had several, most were so awesome, that pic is actually from BikePortland article when Jonathan came to that show.
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Let's add a bit of education to this thread to explain why some bikes were built with double cranks and others triple? I have a bike that came with an Ovaltech triple and this was new to me as I thought older road bikes only came with doubles. The guys in the 60's & 70's competed with barely any gears at all so at what point did someone say, "hey lets throw some more gears on". I mean it makes sense if you do any riding with any kind of elevation. Modern bikes come with 20 speeds at least, mostly 22 now and mountain bikes started with triple cranks a long time ago.
Interestingly, there is one outlier in the history of racing: Giovanni Battaglin in the 1981 Giro (https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...narello-174073). He had a 53-44-36 crank and a 13-21 freewheel. It didn't really catch on. (Though more recently Chris Froome has been seen to use a compact double with a 34-32 low gear.)
Then there are people like me who like the way racing bikes look but don't have the legs to ride them with traditional gearing, so you get unholy creations such as are on display in this thread.
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Look, just because my family is from West Virginia doesn't mean we still see things that way.
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It seems mtbs and most gravel bikes sold now are no longer triples but 1x setups. You triple fans are just anachronisms.
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Besides, a 10-50 cassette just doesn't look right on a vintage bike.
Also, isn't anachronism the whole point of this forum?
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Everyone here who needs low gears has their reasons, and you might be in the same boat someday, wishing the forum denizens would cut you some slack.
I won a lot of sprints on my '89 Davidson. There was a weekly, season-long after-work crit series on the Microsoft campus in the '90s, run as a points race with a sprint every third lap. I had a teammate (a pursuiter not a sprinter) whose joy came from giving me an awesome lead-out, and I won the whole series two years in a row in the Masters. I know, big whoop, but a lot of those Masters racers were also Cat.2s. I didn't win every sprint but I won a lot. I still have that bike, but now it has a triple with a 28t granny, and a 30t freewheel. Lower than 1 to 1 on my "racing" bike, and sometimes I wish it was lower, c'est la vie.
Get ready brother, time is coming for you too!
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Oh yeah, my wife, who won 3 Seniors medals at State championships (road and track), raced Road Nationals, and won her Masters age group at a national championship series MTB race, has a 24t granny on her triple, with a 34t freewheel cog, on her Litespeed Ti road racer. She rides a lot more than I do, practically every day when she's not cross-country skiing. At 68 y.o., she's not ashamed to have low gears, nor should she be!
Dura-Ace 7400 crank (1984 vintage) with a Stronglight triplizer middle ring, Suntour granny ring. 24-38-48. Ti pedal and BB spindles, alloy bolts everywhere. She gets all the cool vintage crazy-light stuff because she's light and doesn't break stuff. (No carbon though, that's against our religion.)
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Dura-Ace 7400 crank (1984 vintage) with a Stronglight triplizer middle ring, Suntour granny ring. 24-38-48. Ti pedal and BB spindles, alloy bolts everywhere. She gets all the cool vintage crazy-light stuff because she's light and doesn't break stuff. (No carbon though, that's against our religion.)
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merziac i never not get a little giddy over your merz herd.
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
here's a merz....from the web....with a triple....
TW189 was built for 1979 Paris Brest Paris by the original owner, it ended up being a tad small so he scrambled to have a Davidson built and rode it to a very good result, 27th out of 129 Americans, 502nd out of 2113 overall, pretty fast for 30lb+ touring bike, especially with a triple.
Bob Freeman helped Tom with all of this and he didn't really say why he switched to Davidson for the new one, again, fine with me as this is in great shape. He did ride this in STP a couple of times and was fast on it, pretty sure Tom was fast on whatever he was riding.
He also said that after PBP he was feeling very good and rode around Europe for a couple of weeks with the guys he raced with thinking he might race full time but by the time he got done with that it was not to be. He actually quit riding and never went back to it.
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She won a lot of races, came 2nd at US Road Nationals, 5th at WORLD Road Championships (1980) where her main job was to support Beth Heiden. Heidi also came 2nd at a big stage race in France. So it's a feather in anyone's cap to have her on one of your bikes. Especially to have someone like Jim Merz think it was nice enough to buy it for her. Maybe he couldn't find a vintage Merz in her size?
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<snip> Interestingly, there is one outlier in the history of racing: Giovanni Battaglin in the 1981 Giro (https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...narello-174073). <snip>
The funniest claim is that the Campy triple crankset was invented by Pinarello and made just for Battaglin. The pictures show a bone-stock "factory" triple, Campy part number 1049/5. It first appeared in Catalog #17 (1974) but we know it existed as early as '72 when it came stock on the Schwinn Paramount touring model.
The real bike that Battaglin rode that day also had a stock Campy 1049/5 crank, but one that had been de-anodized, reprofiled and highly polished, then mated to a titanium Super Record spindle. The 36t granny ring was also drilled for lightness (or maybe more to the point, for the look of lightness) but not very well done. They used a dull drill bit and left the burrs on the holes! The rest of the bike is exquisite though, so I think the drillium was a last-minute decision. The stock 36t inner ring (part # 804) is a bit porky looking, kinda ugly in its stock shape.
Anyway, Cycling Weekly got punk'd on that one.
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One must have the proper gearing to make it to the summit...........so they can go really fast descending back to the bottom. Simple as that.
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