lsberrios1 

What is the weight on the set? Indicated for mine is 1593g which is not light by any means. I might grab a pair of boyd wheels down the road.

PS. I do however enjoy the ride quality and looks of the wheels. They are the best looking wheels on the market barnone...

popeye

About the same going from memory. These are the previous generation but I don't consider them heavy for deep PT wheels.

ovoleg

Thjats cause P2Max is hardly available anywhere, they're on backorder forever. No point waiting for them, they're nothing special compared to Stages.

sbxx1985 

This sounds like a good plan, especially with the new Hollowgram.

An option if you want to demo Stages is to rent one of Pro Peloton's Dogmas. 2014 with Stages, Di2, and 202s. If you went in there and told them what you were doing, I bet they'd work with you.

Dunbar

They're available in North America and Europe and I haven't seen any issues with availability according to their website. They measure power from both legs too (unlike Stages.)

sbxx1985 

They are. Congrats on the new wheels. The 3.4s are as nice as it gets.

I had psimet build me some 65 clinchers. A few months later, Enve released the 3.4s and 6.7s. I probably would have done it differently. Rob thought they'd be around 1480g. Came in a bit heavier. Alchemy, CX Rays. 1529g.

sbxx1985 

I have something new that will be significantly lighter. Wheel porn, coming soon.

bikerjp

I might have to look into that just to ride a Dogma. Although might make me regret getting an Evo

KantoBoy

I had 0 issues ordering mine. Everything was available.

Now this Type-S version they said is shipping this month. I'm in the process of mine getting exchanged and it looks like they're getting a limited batch (hence, the pre-order before). I hope to get mine by the end of this month.

I don't want to dive into the Stages vs ______ pm. I'm sure we can all justify our purchases.

ovoleg

it wont. The dogma is flexy and ugly.

I will take any of my CAAD10's over the Dogma. I definitely would take an Evo hi-mod over a Dogma too.

Dogma = Synapse

bikerjp

Actually, I'd like to hear some feedback on the Stages. If I want to keep my hollowgram crank and not be tied to a particular wheel it looks like the Stages is my only option (except pedals which are expensive and also tie you to a specific pedal). The left only measurement does kind of bother me as it feels somewhat fudged, but as a recreational rider I doubt it really matters. I just want to get some baseline data and then work on making some gains as well as knowing my bubble should I choose to ride on it. And, hey, apparently it's good enough for Sky.

LOL. I haven't ridden one but I tend to agree on the ugly part (although there is a fine line between ugly and unique). Flexy isn't a word I've heard used though. Mostly I hear stiff and harsh. Still not really what I want and they are expensive. I'm getting a whole high mod, DA bike for less than a Dogma frame.

bikerjp

Nice wheels. Rob built me a couple sets of alloy wheels and they are great. I'm tempted to have him build me a set like this, though probably not as deep, someday. If you are comfortable saying so, how much does something like this cost?

KantoBoy

It looks like you answered your question.

canam73

If you do a thread search for "stages" in https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-here!/page233 you will find some commentary.

RChung

Sky might not be such a good comparison. There's a reasonable chance they cut a deal, and that doesn't apply to most of us. Plus, oddly, it's not always the case that the pros have need for higher quality data from their power meters than amateurs -- pro teams often have other options available to them that can mitigate the liabilities of any particular choice (whether that choice is bikes or equipment or clothing, not just power meters). Do what's best for you, don't look to what a pro team chooses (unless you're running a pro team).

THSdrummer

P2M and SRM make power meters that can be used with a hollowgram crank. Personally, if I had the cash and was going for a power meter, I'd go for a P2M with a hollowgram crank. I think it'd look great on my CAAD10.

Unless you are going for the SiSL2 Hollowgram crank. Not sure there is a crank based power meter for that yet.

bikerjp

My thinking too but it's still an expensive part so important to do my due diligence.

The P2M works with the hollowgram crank but not the spidering.

sbxx1985 

It was pricey. I viewed it as a luxury item and an opportunity to splurge on something I've wanted for a long time. My wife agreed. Won't be many more opportunities like it and for that reason, I wouldn't have built it with a powertap.

They stayed on for a couple months during the winter after I bought them. When I finally took them off, they had scratches and dings, most likely from rocks and stuff that got embedded in the pads. I've used them the last two winters, but not much.

dgasmd

I had Psimet build me a carbon tubular 50 mm wheel set with my PT hub and a front DTSwiss 240 hub. That was about 2-3 years ago. Flawless to this date. I also own a set of Lightweight standards tubular and a set of Campagnolo Hyperon. So far, they have proven to be just as reliable and usable as the other 2 sets.
I contemplated using a crank based system, but 2 things kept me from it: 1. I use Campagnolo in all my bikes and the choices at the time for campy compatible and comparable cranks were limited, 2. I live in very flat FL, but go to climb to other places a few times per year. That means swapping my standard crank for a compact.

spdntrxi

I had zen cyclery build me some 3.4's with alchemy ELF front hub, CX rays.. I provided g3 PThub.. you are looking in the 3K area… I'm under 1400g which is nice even with a PT hub.

Wesley36

Wow, I am just amazed that we are talking about an aero wheelset with a powertap hub weighing just a bit more than 1500g, and it is "not light by any means".

canam73

Well, what is the point of training with a PT if you are going to squander your gains pushing an extra 100 grams?

Wesley36

Because 100g, even for a 130lb rider like Joaquim Rodriguez on a 15 lb bike, is still marginal difference in weight, at best. Training with a power meter, assuming the PM is used correctly, can have a very significant (ie more than marginal) difference.

To be honest though, what I was saying was not meant to pooh pooh such marginal gains. I said it with the same wonder that I get when I look at the cost of external hard drives, and it is now possible to get 3TB for $150. I remember sitting around a cafeteria table in high school marveling at the massive size of the new 1 GB hard drives. "1 GB?!? Do you know how much data that is?!?"

A 50/60mm wheelset, with a PT hub, weighing less than 1600g? Even a couple of years ago, that would have been a big deal, no?

canam73

I'm sure that is what Joaquim Rodriguez would say.

My first home computer was a Timex Sinclair that had 2k of on board ram and a cassette player in lieu of a hard drive. Nifty stuff.

Wesley36

I think Joaquim Rodriguez understands the value of marginal gains extremely well. Marginal does not mean non existent, and very small margins make all the difference at his level (case in point - Giro 2012 - a small advantage would have made a big difference for him).