Just started training with Power? Post your questions/comments here!
08-10-10, 10:33 PM
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I'd be surprised if I have many entire rides with negative decoupling, but I'll have long segments if I am really steady and not blown. Here is one from the other day.
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Lap 4 (0:52:18.69): Duration: 52:18 Work: 678 kJ TSS: 52.5 (intensity factor 0.776) Norm Power: 217 VI: 1 Pw:HR: -2.59% Distance: 19.059 mi Elevation Gain: 593 ft Elevation Loss: 585 ft Grade: 0.0 % (14 ft) Min Max Avg Power: 47 473 216 watts Heart Rate: 136 160 145 bpm Cadence: 38 115 96 rpm Speed: 2.1 37 21.9 mph Altitude: 92 240 156 ft Crank Torque: 36 390 192 lb-in
08-11-10, 05:17 AM
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Sometimes I consider buying a HR strap for my PT head.
What are the benefits of having both HR and power? I wear a HR monitor on my MTB, but that's because I don't have power.
What are the benefits of having both HR and power? I wear a HR monitor on my MTB, but that's because I don't have power.
08-11-10, 06:58 AM
#2505
Making a kilometer blurry
I still haven't found much use for it. I believe with more formal sports/fitness education, there could be a lot to pull from it regarding recovery rates and efficiency, but I don't care so much about tweaking those. I'm always battling just to get as much base fitness as possible on 6-7 hours/wk.
08-11-10, 07:06 AM
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I'm a more data is better kinda guy, and always like seeing what my HR isndoing relative to power.
08-11-10, 08:10 AM
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Just started playing with GC today. I'm liking it so far. The Metrics tab is pretty cool.
From what I've been reading, xPower is pretty much the same as NP. However I'm seeing differences of 10-40 watts between GC and WKO for the exact same ride. Is that just because of the way it's calculated?
WKO:
Duration: 1:03:09
Work: 928 kJ
Avg Power: 245
Norm Power: 314
GC:
Duration: 1:03:09
Work: 927
Avg Power: 245
xPower: 289
Also, is there any way to see more than one weekly summary at a time (like the Summary box in WKO)?
From what I've been reading, xPower is pretty much the same as NP. However I'm seeing differences of 10-40 watts between GC and WKO for the exact same ride. Is that just because of the way it's calculated?
WKO:
Duration: 1:03:09
Work: 928 kJ
Avg Power: 245
Norm Power: 314
GC:
Duration: 1:03:09
Work: 927
Avg Power: 245
xPower: 289
Also, is there any way to see more than one weekly summary at a time (like the Summary box in WKO)?
08-11-10, 08:28 AM
#2508
etc
the main reason I don't wear mine is I find it uncomfortable and am not really paying attention to any numbers but power these days, but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful.
08-11-10, 08:35 AM
#2509
**** that
I can easily identify breaks (or attempts at one) via HR, whereas with power sometimes it's hard to pick out the 'hard' moments in a race.
That said, I never pay attention to the decoupling numbers, they don't seem useful over a whole ride. (tho I'm sure they are to someone)
08-11-10, 08:46 AM
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helpful on recovery rides. helpful to diagnose potential overtraining syndrome. helpful to figure out whether you should attack on that hill or not.
etc
the main reason I don't wear mine is I find it uncomfortable and am not really paying attention to any numbers but power these days, but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful.
etc
the main reason I don't wear mine is I find it uncomfortable and am not really paying attention to any numbers but power these days, but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful.
you interested in selling yours?
08-11-10, 08:52 AM
#2512
the overtraining part definitely interests me, as well as telling when I'm really off versus when I just don't feel strong. I can kinda tell when I'm overtrained just by RPE, but it's not as good as a number. I don't mind wearing my strap when on the MTB, so I doubt I'd mind wearing one on the road.
you interested in selling yours?
you interested in selling yours?
no. I use them in the winter every day.
08-11-10, 09:28 AM
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So I got a look at my ride from today using PowerAgent, and I have three points with outrageous power numbers, like 31,000W. These are clearly messing up averages and such. Are these readings a common problem? Is there some way to remove them from the data, as they are obviously not valid.
Again, sorry if this has come up, I started reading this thread from the beginning, but I'm only about 10 pages in.
Again, sorry if this has come up, I started reading this thread from the beginning, but I'm only about 10 pages in.
08-11-10, 05:46 PM
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My first day of training with power, did a 20 minute test on a 6% grade, not
my best time up this particular hill, but still a good effort for me @ 139ish lbs.
For watt/kilo calculations should I be interested in normalized power or average? Either way I'm close to 4w/kilo on this particular hill.
my best time up this particular hill, but still a good effort for me @ 139ish lbs.
For watt/kilo calculations should I be interested in normalized power or average? Either way I'm close to 4w/kilo on this particular hill.
Peak 20min (243 watts):
Duration: 20:01
Work: 291 kJ
TSS: 35.7 (intensity factor 1.034)
Norm Power: 250
VI: 1.03
Pw:HR: 13.31%
Pa:HR: 13.36%
Distance: 4.022 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 123 411 243 watts
Heart Rate: 136 191 169 bpm
Cadence: 57 108 83 rpm
Speed: 9.2 16.6 12.1 mph
Pace 3:37 6:31 4:59 min/mi
Hub Torque: 56 226 135 lb-in
Crank Torque: 110 454 250 lb-in
Duration: 20:01
Work: 291 kJ
TSS: 35.7 (intensity factor 1.034)
Norm Power: 250
VI: 1.03
Pw:HR: 13.31%
Pa:HR: 13.36%
Distance: 4.022 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 123 411 243 watts
Heart Rate: 136 191 169 bpm
Cadence: 57 108 83 rpm
Speed: 9.2 16.6 12.1 mph
Pace 3:37 6:31 4:59 min/mi
Hub Torque: 56 226 135 lb-in
Crank Torque: 110 454 250 lb-in
08-12-10, 05:07 PM
#2516
Throw the stick!!!!
Could someone clue me in on calibrating a powertap pro+ with a 705 edge?
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08-12-10, 05:13 PM
#2517
**** that
can't remember the exact menu, but Settings->Accessories(?)->Calibrate
(it's the screen where you can re-scan for PT/HR units, at the bottom of it is the Calibrate(?) button)
(it's the screen where you can re-scan for PT/HR units, at the bottom of it is the Calibrate(?) button)
08-12-10, 05:21 PM
#2518
Throw the stick!!!!
Thanks. Is it like my old SL? With that one I had to be coasting when I did the calibration.
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08-12-10, 05:34 PM
#2520
Throw the stick!!!!
Thanks.
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08-12-10, 07:25 PM
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08-12-10, 07:31 PM
#2522
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wake it up by spinning for a couple minutes. then stop and go through the menu as stated above. later.
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08-12-10, 08:17 PM
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newbie question, I am using GC.
If I am doing some hill repeats each about 15min long and with a 6min rest(going back down to start)
Is there anyway to get separate plots and cp graphs for each ride up the hill ?
I know I can use the mouse to box out a single area but the graphs and ride summaries are still for all the data downloaded.
If I am doing some hill repeats each about 15min long and with a 6min rest(going back down to start)
Is there anyway to get separate plots and cp graphs for each ride up the hill ?
I know I can use the mouse to box out a single area but the graphs and ride summaries are still for all the data downloaded.
08-13-10, 10:20 AM
#2524
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newbie question, I am using GC.
If I am doing some hill repeats each about 15min long and with a 6min rest(going back down to start)
Is there anyway to get separate plots and cp graphs for each ride up the hill ?
I know I can use the mouse to box out a single area but the graphs and ride summaries are still for all the data downloaded.
If I am doing some hill repeats each about 15min long and with a 6min rest(going back down to start)
Is there anyway to get separate plots and cp graphs for each ride up the hill ?
I know I can use the mouse to box out a single area but the graphs and ride summaries are still for all the data downloaded.
08-13-10, 11:36 AM
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Whenever I wear my HR strap with my PM it only picks up randomly. It'll go 10 minutes without reading, and then read it for a minute, and then cut out again for a bit. So I never actually get real readings, hence I don't wear it anymore. Is there something that I'm doing wrong to cause this? Do you have to calibrate the strap to the computer somehow? I never really put much thought in to it, but I've considered wearing it lately so I guess I should figure it out. I have a wired PT and the standard cycleops computer as well.
