Help with Identification
08-15-24, 11:48 AM
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Help with Identification
I assume this is a classic lol.
Got this from a coworker who built it ~20 years ago. I looked up Coppi and looks like a bunch of companies built bikes with his name on it.
He doesn't remember what the manufacturer is and I am not sure how to find out the details. I don't need to know this, just want to get to know my bike as much as I can.
Obviously, if anyone can look and say "Oh that is a such and such" then cool, otherwise... What markings, details could I look for to tell who actually made this?
Got this from a coworker who built it ~20 years ago. I looked up Coppi and looks like a bunch of companies built bikes with his name on it.
He doesn't remember what the manufacturer is and I am not sure how to find out the details. I don't need to know this, just want to get to know my bike as much as I can.
Obviously, if anyone can look and say "Oh that is a such and such" then cool, otherwise... What markings, details could I look for to tell who actually made this?
08-15-24, 12:03 PM
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1st Q: are those "muti-shaped" tubes Alu-alloy or steel alloy (use any magnet)
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
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08-15-24, 12:14 PM
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modern Coppi badged cycles tend to be products of Cicli Masciaghi
https://masciaghi.com/
however they are usually marked "Fausto Coppi" rather than just "Coppi"
suspect this may be from another producer...
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modern Coppi badged cycles tend to be products of Cicli Masciaghi
https://masciaghi.com/
however they are usually marked "Fausto Coppi" rather than just "Coppi"
suspect this may be from another producer...
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08-15-24, 12:49 PM
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1st Q: are those "muti-shaped" tubes Alu-alloy or steel alloy (use any magnet)
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
As far as I found, that is just the tubing and not the manu.
08-15-24, 12:53 PM
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if it IS Columbus Genius (Nivacrom) then it's a higher grade steel alloy than the other "mystery" frames I ref'd, better quality than Thron-like tubing and most likely then made in Italy!
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08-15-24, 12:59 PM
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CF front and seatstay (I googled that one lol)
08-15-24, 02:52 PM
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The most important decal is "Reparto Corse" on the seat tube. It means racing department, although what that meant by the - then - manufacturers of Coppi, I guess no one knows.
Based on the age of your bike, the layout with the carbon forks and monostay was not uncommon, but back then also not every "niemand" made such a thing, Colnago, Bianchi, etc most had such a bike, but not the chinese cheapos yet. IIRC the Masciaghi ones had a "by Masciagi" decal on them.
EDIT: Anyway, it seems., according to the official "COPPI" page (yeah, no Fausto) that its still Masciaghi, but they are now owned by another entity - some investment firm I guess - PE Industrial - since 2023:
https://bicicoppi.it/en/company/
So, however it happened, Masciaghi can be nailed down, since your bike was definitely, not made by the OG Coppi Makers Fiorelli
Based on the age of your bike, the layout with the carbon forks and monostay was not uncommon, but back then also not every "niemand" made such a thing, Colnago, Bianchi, etc most had such a bike, but not the chinese cheapos yet. IIRC the Masciaghi ones had a "by Masciagi" decal on them.
EDIT: Anyway, it seems., according to the official "COPPI" page (yeah, no Fausto) that its still Masciaghi, but they are now owned by another entity - some investment firm I guess - PE Industrial - since 2023:
https://bicicoppi.it/en/company/
So, however it happened, Masciaghi can be nailed down, since your bike was definitely, not made by the OG Coppi Makers Fiorelli
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You shouldn't be. But you have a nice bike, you can stop here already. One thing which pops my eyes at this point if the front fork is orig. I'm no expert, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but on bikes where the rear end was carve, usually front end was it too. I guess this might have been the "carbon kit" to make a bike for. I tried to look for anything like yours, and so far this is the closest one, a team bike at the German candy shop Steel Vintage:
https://steel-vintage.com/de/product...10525-01-13-de
Not like yours but definitely from the same age and style
https://steel-vintage.com/de/product...10525-01-13-de
Not like yours but definitely from the same age and style
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Not sure it helps but the components date it to 98 or so.
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1st Q: are those "muti-shaped" tubes Alu-alloy or steel alloy (use any magnet)
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
Beyond that chances are there's no Country of Origin sticker but have you looked EVERYwhere for one?
This is a style from Y2K and later, might have been built (or just had final assembly) in Italy or another EU country but just as likely has Asian origins, most likely Taiwan (but possibly PRC)
some more detail pix of the frame (DOs, bridges, seat cluster, is that a "wishbone" rear?) are helpful; the fork is clearly CF but head tube is small looking so is this a 1" HS (rather than more typical 1.125")?
The Coppi brand by this timeframe wouldn't have much or any connection with the contract-builders of old like Fiorelli, but maybe wasn't an outright buy-out by some nameless corporate holding company who off-shored the whole enterprise...maybe
NOTE: I recall there were some similar-looking frames that used a multi-shaped Columbus tubing and sold under several brand names, including well-known "Italian brands" that after long research by curious C&Vers was decided to be akin to what Bianchi used for a couple models and was something like Thron (but multi-shaped).
Howerver if this "Coppi" is aluminum with a CF rear then this info is pointless "nothing to see, here, people...move on..."
"DO" = drop outs, the part of the frame and fork to which the wheel axles attach.
"Bridges" - there is at least one where the rear brake attaches to the frame. There may or may not be another one at the bottom of frame just behind the bottom bracket, i.e. the part of the bike where the axle connecting the two crank arms (to which the pedals attach) passes through the frame.
"Seat cluster" is the part of the frame where at least three and possibly four tubes come together at the top of the frame, just under where the seat is.
"Wishbone rear" - Start at the seat cluster. If there is one tube that comes out of the rear and then splits into two tubes closer to the rear wheel, that is a "wishbone rear." If there are two tubes that go all the way from the seat cluster to the rear drop out (they are called "seat stays"), this is a standard set-up, not a wishbone set-up.
"CF" = carbon fiber. It ain't steel, it ain't aluminum alloy and it ain't titanium alloy. It is made of carbon filaments and epoxy using a process that I don't begin to understand. Others here do, but not me.
"Head tube" is the frame tube that is the furthest forward single tube on the frame. They usually come in one of two internal diameters, 1 inch and 1-1/8 inch, and the steerer tube runs through them. Older bikes were almost always 1", but that started changing in (I think) the 1990s and for the last 10 or 20 years, most bikes have had 1-1/8" head tubes. The steerer tube is part of the front fork, and it is what the stem connects to.
Yes, bike tech and lore is definitely a rabbit hole, but it can be a very fun and rewarding one. At a minimum, you should google "Fausto Coppi," for whom your frame is named. If someone had written his life story as fiction, no one would believe it.
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Some German over here claim that around that time when this was built Pelizzoli also built Coppi frames.
The bike in question here in my personal sum up is a true oddball because:
- already at 2000 most frames were alu while this is steel
- alu + carbon as a common combo, so far I haven found steel+CF ones in this setup even from others
- the COPPI-only branding exists to this day but it seems to be a later change from Fausto Coppi than early 2000s
- almost all period Coppi models bear some form of model name even if some weirdo codes.
Until a similar frame is found on the web (I found really similar ones but in alu+CF) the question if its a respray doesnt make sense
The bike in question here in my personal sum up is a true oddball because:
- already at 2000 most frames were alu while this is steel
- alu + carbon as a common combo, so far I haven found steel+CF ones in this setup even from others
- the COPPI-only branding exists to this day but it seems to be a later change from Fausto Coppi than early 2000s
- almost all period Coppi models bear some form of model name even if some weirdo codes.
Until a similar frame is found on the web (I found really similar ones but in alu+CF) the question if its a respray doesnt make sense
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Codenomics could you do the magnet test? Just to be sure, we are not get mislead by a "whatever" tubing decal? The seat tube collar bugs me, as its usually used on steel bikes, but where else if not by Coppi I have found similar on alu as well, although mostly they used the separate seat clamp, and on your frame, the cable stop looks more what is seen on steel frames, but yeah, let's rule alu out.
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Translations, in case you're interested.
"DO" = drop outs, the part of the frame and fork to which the wheel axles attach.
"Bridges" - there is at least one where the rear brake attaches to the frame. There may or may not be another one at the bottom of frame just behind the bottom bracket, i.e. the part of the bike where the axle connecting the two crank arms (to it..........
"DO" = drop outs, the part of the frame and fork to which the wheel axles attach.
"Bridges" - there is at least one where the rear brake attaches to the frame. There may or may not be another one at the bottom of frame just behind the bottom bracket, i.e. the part of the bike where the axle connecting the two crank arms (to it..........
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Well yeah, the two most obvious sources were not checked
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08-16-24, 10:17 AM
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HAH! Maurice to the rescue! 
Since our own Spaghetti Legs had this same frameset for sale (note his includes "Fausto" on some of the Coppi decals) can he confrim if the steerer was 1" or 1-1/8"?
I'm just curious...also whether it was built by Masciaghi (which I would bet on) and not by Pelizzoli (a nice thought but I doubt it) if he knows?
Since our own Spaghetti Legs had this same frameset for sale (note his includes "Fausto" on some of the Coppi decals) can he confrim if the steerer was 1" or 1-1/8"?
I'm just curious...also whether it was built by Masciaghi (which I would bet on) and not by Pelizzoli (a nice thought but I doubt it) if he knows?
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08-16-24, 02:03 PM
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You shouldn't be. But you have a nice bike, you can stop here already. One thing which pops my eyes at this point if the front fork is orig. I'm no expert, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but on bikes where the rear end was carve, usually front end was it too. I guess this might have been the "carbon kit" to make a bike for. I tried to look for anything like yours, and so far this is the closest one, a team bike at the German candy shop Steel Vintage:
https://steel-vintage.com/de/product...10525-01-13-de
Not like yours but definitely from the same age and style
https://steel-vintage.com/de/product...10525-01-13-de
Not like yours but definitely from the same age and style
Codenomics could you do the magnet test? Just to be sure, we are not get mislead by a "whatever" tubing decal? The seat tube collar bugs me, as its usually used on steel bikes, but where else if not by Coppi I have found similar on alu as well, although mostly they used the separate seat clamp, and on your frame, the cable stop looks more what is seen on steel frames, but yeah, let's rule alu out.
And here are some pics. Please don't judge my dirty dirty van!
08-16-24, 02:06 PM
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Pics are all so dang big, I assume the forum would thumbnail them automatically!
The bottom bracket has "12/01" and "58857" stamped on the bottom I guess that is a date, so that may solve that question!
The may be "5857" also
The bottom bracket has "12/01" and "58857" stamped on the bottom I guess that is a date, so that may solve that question!
The may be "5857" also
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12/01 probably means the 12th frame in 2001. 58 must be the sizing and B57 is whatever Sergio drank that day. looking at it i first thought... 57 boom... "Sergio thats an 58er! ah okay - stamps a B in front of it like it would mean something different and places fhe proper 58er stamp as well..."
And fhis would sound to be a believable tale... but..
on another Masciaghi built machine the same pattern appears..
51B54???? Second could be length? Anyone?
And fhis would sound to be a believable tale... but..
on another Masciaghi built machine the same pattern appears..
51B54???? Second could be length? Anyone?
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