Charlie's Shed - Parts and tools
07-24-24, 01:53 PM
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Wow, and I thought the 45-speed set-up on a barn-find (literally) 1960ish Bianchi Competizione was out of control. 3x5 derailleur system (Campy, either Gran Sport or Record, don't recall which), 3sp hub. I had the frame for about 50 years and finally sold it last year. I built it up rode it some as a teenager, had the stripped down frame for many years, and built it up again and rode it at a couple editions of Eroica CA, but I never once tried to ride it in its 45sp configurations.
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07-24-24, 05:01 PM
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I've seen cable housing routed on the top of the top tube... pretty conventional for mid 80's bikes.
I've also seen rear brake cables where the cable is exposed in the middle, thereby reducing the drag from the unneeded portion of the cable housing.
However.... I've never seen the two things combined!
I wonder what compelled someone to do this?
Personally, I like the exposed cable method, especially when it is located low on the tube and out of the way.
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07-24-24, 05:44 PM
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I have husband-wife friends who met when he was working for Charlie and she bought the Harding bike she still rides. (I got their back story when I commented on the marque of her bike.) When I told her about this thread, she informed me that they had already visited Charlie's Shed and brought back some parts. 
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Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
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07-24-24, 08:38 PM
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Just noticed the rear brake cable routing.
I've seen cable housing routed on the top of the top tube... pretty conventional for mid 80's bikes.
I've also seen rear brake cables where the cable is exposed in the middle, thereby reducing the drag from the unneeded portion of the cable housing.
However.... I've never seen the two things combined!
I wonder what compelled someone to do this?
Personally, I like the exposed cable method, especially when it is located low on the tube and out of the way.
Steve in Peoria
I've seen cable housing routed on the top of the top tube... pretty conventional for mid 80's bikes.
I've also seen rear brake cables where the cable is exposed in the middle, thereby reducing the drag from the unneeded portion of the cable housing.
However.... I've never seen the two things combined!
I wonder what compelled someone to do this?
Personally, I like the exposed cable method, especially when it is located low on the tube and out of the way.
Steve in Peoria
I am so behind on posting photos and showing you folk lol. But I will, I will... that Frejus has two Sturmey Archer trigger controls on the stem!?! Has to be seen to be believed.
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07-24-24, 08:41 PM
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I have husband-wife friends who met when he was working for Charlie and she bought the Harding bike she still rides. (I got their back story when I commented on the marque of her bike.) When I told her about this thread, she informed me that they had already visited Charlie's Shed and brought back some parts.
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08-04-24, 08:54 PM
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Bikes today - The Frejus - 72 or 90 gears(?) Dyno Four hub
Okay, we've heard about it -now to see it.
The Frejus: 57 topof seat tube to BB center; Cottered Steel Stronglight 49 (I believe) with triple TA chainrings 38-?-54; Simplex front derailleur, Huret long cage rear derailleur - steel – model?; Balilla sidepull breaks; Huret front hub with wingnuts; Dyno Four rear hub, Ambrossio Champion bars and stem; Lyotard flad steel pedals; two Sturmey Archer controls on stem for rear hub; Campy downtube shifters for derailleurs; 6 speed freewheel - type unknown as still assembled
The Frejus: 57 topof seat tube to BB center; Cottered Steel Stronglight 49 (I believe) with triple TA chainrings 38-?-54; Simplex front derailleur, Huret long cage rear derailleur - steel – model?; Balilla sidepull breaks; Huret front hub with wingnuts; Dyno Four rear hub, Ambrossio Champion bars and stem; Lyotard flad steel pedals; two Sturmey Archer controls on stem for rear hub; Campy downtube shifters for derailleurs; 6 speed freewheel - type unknown as still assembled
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08-04-24, 09:04 PM
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Bike 2 - Quickie Harry Quinn size 73
Charlie sold to UCLA crowd as well and apparently Walton visited (before my time) so big folk knew the shop...
Yep, a 73 and seemingly track, at least rear set up as single speed
high flange Campy, straight lever
I have a bunch of these stems... neeeevvveerrr heard of them before this
Of course Fiamme
Yep, a 73 and seemingly track, at least rear set up as single speed
high flange Campy, straight lever
I have a bunch of these stems... neeeevvveerrr heard of them before this
Of course Fiamme
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Bike 3: Old school Bianchi
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Bike 4: Real Old School -Western Wheel Works
yep... wood bars, wood rims, wood fenders with lacing, wood chain guard with lacing
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Bike 5: Mystery - help needed. Maybe Claude Butler?
in a box forever... all chrome. Set up for cantilever. I saw an all chrome Claude Butler elsewhere with some similar details, but I'm no pro on idents. Any help appreciated
Blue outlining on lug work
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For PastorBob Atom 77 freewheels
one of each...
Atom 77
Atom 77 Compact
space saver alright... maybe for the Hetchins
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Fix question: Campagnolo Sport rear derailleur -missing "spindles"?
I posted a photo of a Campy Sport earlier that someone was interested in BUT when I checked it, I notice two of the pins or pivots or "spindles" (according to one site) are gone. Anybody know a DIY fix? I haven't yet found details on the diameter/gauge of those parts, any confirmed information greatly appreciated
both brass bushings are there, just no pins - and I believe I have a drawer of the springs for the parallelogram because I have half a drawer of the black cage plates
both brass bushings are there, just no pins - and I believe I have a drawer of the springs for the parallelogram because I have half a drawer of the black cage plates
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I posted a photo of a Campy Sport earlier that someone was interested in BUT when I checked it, I notice two of the pins or pivots or "spindles" (according to one site) are gone. Anybody know a DIY fix? I haven't yet found details on the diameter/gauge of those parts, any confirmed information greatly appreciated
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08-10-24, 11:26 AM
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If I correctly understand the attachment you are describing, it means there is a "known fix" for attaching that knuckle to a Gran Sport lower! I'll have to search on that topic. Thank you Mr Harris! ... Unless of course the fix is become a metal fabrication specialist and power up your lathe... in that case you are a sick man to get my hopes up!
08-10-24, 01:29 PM
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If I correctly understand the attachment you are describing, it means there is a "known fix" for attaching that knuckle to a Gran Sport lower! I'll have to search on that topic. Thank you Mr Harris! ... Unless of course the fix is become a metal fabrication specialist and power up your lathe... in that case you are a sick man to get my hopes up!
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08-10-24, 05:37 PM
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You know...maybe that switch was what someone was planning to do. I was wondering how one could run into the spindle/rivot issue on both spots at same time.
08-10-24, 06:39 PM
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I have been remiss in posting photos of "stuf" - working on Hetchins
I gave a post-shot to PastorBob because... well I found the Atom 77's and thought maybe for the Hetchins - but first I felt like I owed a post.
In the meanwhile though, before I took photos for PastorBob (not that he asked), I tapped out a french thread Stronglight crank for SAE - for the first time in 40+ years - because I'm trying to build up the Hetchins with Charlie's shed parts - because of course he had classic stuff.
I'm using a Stronglight 49D for a triple with the intent of using those Lyotard Marcel Berthet (MB23) I posted. Silly me, I thought french pedal, french thread, will work with any of those french Stronglight cranks I posted pictures of - NO. Well half of them are actually SAE but those are all Model 57's or 63's (star pattern) and I don't have a tripleizer to give me the gearing for climbing that I have earned by still riding this long (not fast, but STILL riding). Yep, the only matched pair of MB23's are SAE.
So - ordered Park's Tap 6 so I had fresh taps. I had run my old shop ones past a buddy who IS a metal fabricator and he gave me that look that says "you can try it, but me, an expert in my field, I wouldn't. For once I took the hint. Drive side was fine, the taper of the Park taps cleared a bit and then the threads bit - lots of cutting oil and it went fine. Non-drive??? I was smoothing the entry hole but no grabbing to start cutting threads. Maybe, just maybe, in the 108 degree heat in the garage I might have started just like I started the right-hand thread on the drive side (wrong direction) but it might be that someone screwed the threading up years ago and that is why they were not on a bike. After trying and confirming proper left hand thread direction, I flipped the arm over and came in from the back. Hallelujah - issue solved.
I've got Christophe toe clips and straps - although I'll have to look for those backing plates we used to use to install clips on non-threaded pedal frames.
Now I have to figure out derailleurs and shifters. Never worked with triples much so not sure whether old Campy fronts were fine. If I do use a Campy front with the Turismo... well, definitely "classic".
In the meanwhile though, before I took photos for PastorBob (not that he asked), I tapped out a french thread Stronglight crank for SAE - for the first time in 40+ years - because I'm trying to build up the Hetchins with Charlie's shed parts - because of course he had classic stuff.
I'm using a Stronglight 49D for a triple with the intent of using those Lyotard Marcel Berthet (MB23) I posted. Silly me, I thought french pedal, french thread, will work with any of those french Stronglight cranks I posted pictures of - NO. Well half of them are actually SAE but those are all Model 57's or 63's (star pattern) and I don't have a tripleizer to give me the gearing for climbing that I have earned by still riding this long (not fast, but STILL riding). Yep, the only matched pair of MB23's are SAE.
So - ordered Park's Tap 6 so I had fresh taps. I had run my old shop ones past a buddy who IS a metal fabricator and he gave me that look that says "you can try it, but me, an expert in my field, I wouldn't. For once I took the hint. Drive side was fine, the taper of the Park taps cleared a bit and then the threads bit - lots of cutting oil and it went fine. Non-drive??? I was smoothing the entry hole but no grabbing to start cutting threads. Maybe, just maybe, in the 108 degree heat in the garage I might have started just like I started the right-hand thread on the drive side (wrong direction) but it might be that someone screwed the threading up years ago and that is why they were not on a bike. After trying and confirming proper left hand thread direction, I flipped the arm over and came in from the back. Hallelujah - issue solved.
I've got Christophe toe clips and straps - although I'll have to look for those backing plates we used to use to install clips on non-threaded pedal frames.
Now I have to figure out derailleurs and shifters. Never worked with triples much so not sure whether old Campy fronts were fine. If I do use a Campy front with the Turismo... well, definitely "classic".
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Old Campagnolo Record FD's handle a triple crankset very well.
Even when you push them to their limits.
I would not recommend the Turismo RD. It is very heavy and is about the worst shifting RD I've ever ridden. Go with a Rally or a modified Nuovo Record with long cage (IMO, still not a great shifting RD), or do what I did above and run a Sachs Huret Eco Duo Par.
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08-12-24, 12:25 PM
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Thanks PastorBob. I'll have to look at what I have - don't think I have a Rally, have to check drawers for whether I have long cages to go on a Nuovo. I know I have a box of Simplex derailleurs and a box of Huret derailleurs that I need to look through to figure out exactly what I have.
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I said I would include oddball stuff found in shed ... Marvel Universe...
I always thought it was from Norway...
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