smurf hunter

I've built a few wheels, all been used Shimano hubs so far. I'm getting somewhat addicted to this hobby and have been digging through parts bins and eBay for oldie but goodie hubs. The best bang for the buck were some early 32h hyperglide Dura-Ace hubs (combined for about $70), since I was able to fit a 10 speed cassette on it. I figure the average Joe assumed these old 8 speed branded hubs wouldn't work with today's groups - lucky I knew better

Thanks to this forum and Sheldon Brown's site, knowing the compatibility options for Shimano hubs and cassettes has really stretched my dollar further when building wheels.

Anyhow, not having owned a bike with campy parts I'm pretty ignorant. What I have read suggests that campy freehubs seem to be cassette specific - meaning 8/9/10 speed cassettes have dedicated freehub spline patterns. Assuming that's accurate, that makes building a campy wheelset a bit less versatile in my mind.

Also, Sheldon Brown and others have professed their admiration for Shimano hubs, as they are extremely good quality for the price (when compared to boutique Phil Wood, Chris King etc.).

If I ever do set out to build a campy hub wheelset, is it best to just buy new hubs that match the rest of the group on the specific bike, or is there some clever way to make a campy wheelset generic for a range of group generations?

Thanks
-S

Bicimechanic77

There are custom cassettes available from a few manufacturers that allow the use of a re-spaced Shimano cassette on a Shimano hub that will shift w/ Campy. However, to my knowledge none exists that allow you to use other brand cassettes on a Campagnolo hub. Or you get a wheel such as a Mavic that allows you to swap between different frrehub bodied for Campy and Shimano. So if you wanted a "universal" wheel that could work with either group you go Shimano and and have 2 cassettes (one Shimano spaced and one Campy spaced). I used to do this for nuetral race wheels and it allowed me to help quite a few riders. Hope this helps.

Soil_Sampler

https://www.branfordbike.com/cgi-bin/...16517958#item8

vpiuva

8 speed Campy hubs fit 8 speed cassettes only. Campy 9 & 10 are interchangeable

edit: the chart above is great and detailed - my reply is the condensed version.

Al1943

When buying hubs plan your choice to match the shifters you intend to use. Shifters are often the most expensive component so be sure your choice of rear hub is compatible.

Al

smurf hunter

Good advice. I suppose I won't spend the time or money building a campy wheelset until I have a target bike lined up.

Thanks all.
-S

Bob Dopolina 

Campagnolo has cassettes that will fit Campagnolo 8, Campagnolo 9,10, Shimano 8/9/10 and Shimano 10. All of these cassettes are interchangeable. It is a 30 second job.

Buying from eBay, I'd check to see what year the hubs were made. There was an axle change in 2006/2007 so the newer cassette bodies are not compatible with the older axles (although you can change the axles).

HillRider

Do I read this right: Are you saying that:

1. Campagnolo makes cassettes that will fit Shimano 8/9/10 hubs?
2. All Campagnolo cassettes are interchangable on any hub by either manufacturer?

AFAIK:

1. Campy 8-speed cassettes won't fit Campy 9/10 hubs.
2. Campy 9/10 cassettes won't fit Campy 8-speed hubs.
3. No Campy cassette will fit any Shimano hub.

What am I missing?

Bob Dopolina 

Using the same current CAMPAGNOLO HUB, you can change CAMPAGNOLO FREEHUBS to accept any of the listed cogsets.

This includes:
Campagnolo 9/10
Shimano 8/9/10
Shimano HG10

There are other combinations that will work (but that starts to get complicated and I just wanted to point out that you can build a set of wheels with Campagnolo hubs and use it with a variety of contemporary set-ups).

Clarified?

Road Fan

So the Campy hub must be a 2008 model?

Who makes the parts that enable Shimano cassettes to be installed on a Campy hub? And is it a fit for all Campy hubs for the applicable model year?

Road Fan

buddyp

campagnolo. For 2008 you use freehub body WH-KX10, for previous years WH-KX2.

This is only for record, chorus and the higher end pre-built wheel hubs. There's no shimano freehub body for lower end (centaur and down) hubs and wheels.

The hub internals changed a few times in the freehub era. WH-KX2 should work with hubs made from 2000 on. Not sure before then, the axle was different in '99 and campy is not good about providing info on which parts are backward compatible.

Campy parts catalogs back to '94 are at:

https://www.campagnolo.com/techinfo.php?did=c&sec=srv

Any bike shop that can order from QBP can get you any campy part that is still in the system.

If you have questions you can always call or email campy usa tech support. The contact info is on the web site.

HillRider

Now it is. Your original posting implied Campy made cassettes that fit all of the above freehubs.

smurf hunter

Even if this special cassette is rare and comparatively expensive, it seems the most economical route for a "universal" wheel is to build using decent Shimano (DA) hubs and add one of those custom cassettes. Or perhaps throw in a JTek shift mate...

buddyp

I'd agree, even more so since the shimano-splined campy-spaced cassettes are neither rare nor expensive. The American Classics are about $75 -- about the same as a veloce and a lockring. The Wheels Mfg are a little more, but still in the same ballpark as a chorus cassette.

Both are widely available on teh intarwebs

Bob Dopolina 

No. This compatibility goes back to 2000. Campagnolo makes freehubs that go on Campagnolo hubs that allow you to use a regular Shimano cassette. People are over thinking this one. It is just as simple as it sounds.

This does not only apply to Record hubs (although if I was going to hand build a set of wheels with Campagnolo hubs, I'd use Record. The Shimano compatible freehubs are more widely available for these since this is the most common set-up).

edit: Since there was an axle change in 2006/2007 I'd double check that the freehub was the correct model on a hub older than 2006.