piwonka

like on this REALLY nice bike.


or like this...


or like this...





pedal porn:
https://www.fixedgeargallery.com/reviews/pedals/

travsi

the first one.



edit:
in all the cases i've seen, double straps which are
laminated are fit tight enough to not need any kind
of twisting or crossing. i just think it seams strange
to position the strap further back …perhaps it helps
get more grip on the foot.

fetch

shaun of teh dead?!

travsi

it was the best pedal shot i had on velospace...

BRANDUNE

There was just recently a whole article on FGG about straps, pedals and lacing techniques, I actually tried the method with the straps furth back, it grips like crazy but its nearly impossible to quickly get your feet out of the straps

Six jours

The picture of the red strap is the "correct" way, although the strap through the pedal body ought to have a twist in it. (I have had laminated straps slide around without the twist.)

The idea behind having the straps in the most rearward possible position is to provide the maximum holding power. Having that extra strap grip behind the ball of the foot -- almost in the arch of the foot, really -- provides incredible grip. Does that cause problems getting your feet out? Not that I ever noticed, but I think it's a moot point anyway. You use doubles for retention, not convenience. If you want convenience and/or don't need match sprint levels of retention, don't bother with doubles.

And yeah, that's one hell of a nice bike.

< edit > I put "correct" in parentheses because top level riders use a variety of different routings. It's a personal thing for sure, but if there's any consensus at all it's that rearward mounting of the strap provides best retention. HTH!

Six jours

Travis, have you had troubles with the Sprint brand straps delaminating? All the ones I ever worked with delaminated within a few months of hard use, but that was more than 5 years ago and I wonder if they've addressed the problem.

travsi

i've had mine for over a year and a half now and they are
about on their limit ...i have however reglued them twice.

piwonka

what did you use to reglue them?

i just did mine the aggressive way. i have medium toe clips and that does't let the back strap get real far up in my arch so it's not that bad pulling out if i don't have them really really tight. these things feel so nice though...i wish i wouldn't have waited so long to get some quality straps...so much more control.

piwonka

oh yeah, i haven't put the black thing on yet.
i'll probably mess with that soon.

jacobpriest

everytime I see double straps i think of the 40 dollars i wasted on somas.
****ers.
End derail, sorry

piwonka

yeah, **** any straps that are gonna stretch. these feel so solid.

Six jours

Piwonka, you can get even more security by threading the forward strap through the clip eyelet and running the rearward strap behind that. You'll have to use electrical tape to keep the rear strap from flopping down, and it looks a bit wonky, but it does result in the most secure possible connection. Not too convenient, though, if that matters to you.

BTW, that I am aware of, Toshi straps are still unsurpassed for reliability and lifespan -- especially the newer smooth finished Toshis.

piwonka

i thought about using the black leather thing that came with these for that purpose.

piwonka

like so.
i'll have to ride around a bit to see how this feels...i loosen the straps almost every time i pull out so it might be the way i leave it, i can see it being harder to pull out of though as the back strap if going to a little deeper in my arch.

Six jours

Ah, interesting! I've never seen that before, and always used electrical tape to achieve the same end. Nothing is more secure, in my experience, although the hassle factor does go up. It's a bit more clumsy to get in and out of. Now you just need a pair of the MKS EXA locking pedals and you can fall over at every stop sign in town.

Thanks for the pic!

piwonka

yeah, this way is the most solid and secure feeling. like i thought though, since the back strap is in my arch pretty good now my foot won't come out unless i reach down and loosen the straps up pretty good. if someone were not accustomed to riding without putting feet down then they will quickly tire of adjusting the strap tension...or fall alot

i could quickly pull my foot out if i pulled with lots of force (like a panic) with them run like the red straps on those dura ace pd7400...still a real solid feeling setup. if i had them setup just a little loose then i could get in and out pretty easily, after getting in just reach down and push the strap back on your foot some and your good...or have them loose and reach down and tighten them up.

i imagine setting them up like travsi or oregano flow's bike is most convenient...if you gotta get in and out of the straps and don't like to adjust tension then that is the best way to set them up. i didn't ride with them like this because it is a ***** running the straps through the pedal slots in the body (i used pliers with the bike laying down and my foot on the crank arm)...it was easier to loop the strap through the front of the cage.

Six jours

Ah, memories! Yeah, the bit with the pliers is exactly how I always had to do it, even with the old Binda Extras. The sprinters and kilo guys carried the pliers -- or vice grips, if you were a hardman -- to the races to tighten the straps up. Never heard of any broken metatarsals from that trick, but I always expected it.

I can't really imagine using doubles on the road. A real pain no matter how you route them, I'd think.

In the mid to late eighties, the SoCal kilo guys were into bolting their shoes to the pedals. They had problems with shoes coming apart, and some were even pulling their feet out of their shoes, so they started adding toe straps around the shoe. Then some genius realized that if they used toe straps they didn't need the bolts. Full circle kind of deal, eh? But I'm still waiting for the day when I see a hipster street fixie with bolted-in shoes.

G0balistik

I tried the way piwnka had it set up in the first shot, but I didn't like how narrow the opening became with the back strap threaded like that. So I tried threading it this way, and it feels really secure and I don't have to tighten or loosen them to get in and out.

This way feels a whole lot better and I am glad I tried it out. I have large cages but I wear a 13, so it always felt like it would just pull on my toe when I went to pull up. Now It feels a ton better and I can even do standup skids easier. I am still rocking Somas' and yes, they blow...I hope to upgrade soon.

helloamerican

thread revival; i thought better to ask here than start a new thread. where do you find these straps for a reasonable price? or is the simple answer 'they're never a reasonable price' i can't seem to find a pair less than 80 bucks

piwonka

that's probably about as cheap as you'll get a pair of decent doubles. i hear the soma's aren't worth it. i bet a quality pair of laminated singles would be almost as good.

Six jours

I actually prefer singles, even when using two to a pedal. I think I can get individual straps tighter than I can a pair of straps stuck together and tugging each other around.

Unfortunately, a quality pedal and strap set-up is going to more expensive than just about any clipless system.

Fugazi Dave

How do I thread 'em? Follow the "toe strap doublers" link in my sig.

[and yes, I'm plugging them again, because I believe! ]

Edit: Pic!

MrCjolsen

How in the name of Elvis Presley do you possibly get out of those things when you have to stop?

andre nickatina

spidey sense.

for the record, i thread mine like the nagasawa. with some sambas and the straps tight it feels real secure, if i needed more security i'd probably buy a set of clipless.