A to B magazine buyer's guide
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A to B magazine buyer's guide
The folks at Strida sent me an email today, linking to the following. Any comments?
https://www.atob.org.uk/Buyers'_Guide.html
Seems to me that treating 'folding bicycles' as a single category is deceptive; Moulton and Strida are side by side, three stars each, as if they are roughly equivalent. I can't believe there is anyone out there who is seriously debating whether to buy a Strida or a Moulton; they are totally different machines that serve totally different functions. The only thing they share is that they're innovative bicycle designs from England and that they have small wheels. Putting these completely different animals in the same category allows them to give Brompton the highest rating; because, I suppose, it rides better than a Strida, and folds better than a Moulton.
Conspicuous in their absence: Swift, Mobiky, Carryme ....
https://www.atob.org.uk/Buyers'_Guide.html
Seems to me that treating 'folding bicycles' as a single category is deceptive; Moulton and Strida are side by side, three stars each, as if they are roughly equivalent. I can't believe there is anyone out there who is seriously debating whether to buy a Strida or a Moulton; they are totally different machines that serve totally different functions. The only thing they share is that they're innovative bicycle designs from England and that they have small wheels. Putting these completely different animals in the same category allows them to give Brompton the highest rating; because, I suppose, it rides better than a Strida, and folds better than a Moulton.
Conspicuous in their absence: Swift, Mobiky, Carryme ....
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A slightly bizarre page, lumping together brands and bikes randomly and based too often on utterly muddleheaded and baseless opinion. For example its reference to Dahon - I am sure some of its bikes are worth 4 stars, but some are just ordinary. And referring to Birdys - now pretty established as a new breed of folding bikes (betraying the fact that this is a page that whilst updated in December 2006 has not been updated very much or very intelligently). The three star rating for the Airframe confirms that its not really a list to be taken seriously. And what it says about Mezzos and Mercs is simply wrong.
In the end, the list says more about AtoB than it does about the bikes that it rates. Its neither a great magazine nor a useful resource. You'd be better trawling the archives of BikeForums and subscribing to the totally wonderful Velovision magazine www.velovision.co.uk .
Having seen this, a buyers guide would be a useful thing to sticky onto the top of this forum. Or a Wiki guide to folding bikes that goes beyond that on Wikipedia. And everyone can contribute to. In fact, I'm going to set one up this weekend...watch this space
In the end, the list says more about AtoB than it does about the bikes that it rates. Its neither a great magazine nor a useful resource. You'd be better trawling the archives of BikeForums and subscribing to the totally wonderful Velovision magazine www.velovision.co.uk .
Having seen this, a buyers guide would be a useful thing to sticky onto the top of this forum. Or a Wiki guide to folding bikes that goes beyond that on Wikipedia. And everyone can contribute to. In fact, I'm going to set one up this weekend...watch this space
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I thought that all of the people at AtoB were part-owners of Brompton.
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Originally Posted by matt52
In the end, the list says more about AtoB than it does about the bikes that it rates. Its neither a great magazine nor a useful resource. You'd be better trawling the archives of BikeForums and subscribing to the totally wonderful Velovision magazine www.velovision.co.uk.
Yet hopefully AtoB writers will not shy away from contributing to the Wiki.
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Velovision. Yeah, I bought a copy, it's a nice mag. But 28 pounds (and that's a 4 pound discount off the renewal price) for a quarterly? $14 an issue seems quite steep...
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Originally Posted by rhm
The folks at Strida sent me an email today, linking to the following. Any comments?
https://www.atob.org.uk/Buyers'_Guide.html
Seems to me that treating 'folding bicycles' as a single category is deceptive; Moulton and Strida are side by side, three stars each, as if they are roughly equivalent. I can't believe there is anyone out there who is seriously debating whether to buy a Strida or a Moulton; they are totally different machines that serve totally different functions. The only thing they share is that they're innovative bicycle designs from England and that they have small wheels. Putting these completely different animals in the same category allows them to give Brompton the highest rating; because, I suppose, it rides better than a Strida, and folds better than a Moulton.
Conspicuous in their absence: Swift, Mobiky, Carryme ....
https://www.atob.org.uk/Buyers'_Guide.html
Seems to me that treating 'folding bicycles' as a single category is deceptive; Moulton and Strida are side by side, three stars each, as if they are roughly equivalent. I can't believe there is anyone out there who is seriously debating whether to buy a Strida or a Moulton; they are totally different machines that serve totally different functions. The only thing they share is that they're innovative bicycle designs from England and that they have small wheels. Putting these completely different animals in the same category allows them to give Brompton the highest rating; because, I suppose, it rides better than a Strida, and folds better than a Moulton.
Conspicuous in their absence: Swift, Mobiky, Carryme ....
"Which" magazine also uses a star rating, & again it falls down sometimes because their comparisons are just too broad.
I can't help thinking there is quite a similarity between the 2 magazines.
I like the print & photo's quality in A to B, & a couple of articles I've read so far in the selection of back issues I ordered do actually point out things I haven't been made aware of from reading the forums, so it's not totally useless :-).
Someone considering a Strida probably can't afford a Moulton, unless the bike is to be added to an existing collection :-)
There possibly aren't many suppliers in A to B land of Swift, Mobiky, Carryme ....
which may help to explain their absence. I recently looked for a Swift supplier & only found one, but no indication of stock levels.
A decent test evaluation period for the intended rider seems the only way
to be sure it's the "right bike".
For example, a regular forum contributor, Chop!, has several folders, but apparently doesn't ride his high end Brompton much, preferring some of the others. Yet the Brompton is enormously popular (I think there were 3 or 4 on eBay UK in the last few days.)
A to B gave a less than glowing review of a Mezzo, yet a recent post here is very positive, with a friend of the rider's preferring it to his Birdy!
I'll be interested to see matt52's guide.......
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Originally Posted by invisiblehand
I thought that all of the people at AtoB were part-owners of Brompton.
That would explain the lying trash Henshaw wrote about the Merc. I never saw such false and malicious info in a review. He knows what he says is crap too, because I told him. However, the pack of lies is still up on the website because the real purpose is not to publish a dispassionate review but to damage the sales of Merc. If he said it was an unlicenced rip off built from plans given to a far east manufacturer to build under a licence they then broke by exporting them to Europe and the Uk, that would be fair, but it is neither dys****ional nor badly made and contrary to his review, it works VERY well indeed.
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Somewhat tangential to this thread, but I did find a cheaper source for a Velovision subscription:
https://www.calhouncycle.com/productc...?idCategory=75
They also have a lot of back issues.
https://www.calhouncycle.com/productc...?idCategory=75
They also have a lot of back issues.
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A slightly bizarre page, lumping together brands and bikes randomly and based too often on utterly muddleheaded and baseless opinion.
The three star rating for the Airframe confirms that its not really a list to be taken seriously.
In the end, the list says more about AtoB than it does about the bikes that it rates.
Its neither a great magazine nor a useful resource. You'd be better trawling the archives of BikeForums and subscribing to the totally wonderful Velovision magazine www.velovision.co.uk .
You can trawl through Bikeforums, but you will also get a lot of contradictory and partisan advice here too...
Agree about Velovison.
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Hear Hear !! - Well said Fear&T, agree 100%. Yes they are opinionated, but so are many here - aren't we all ?
I enjoy AtoB magazine more than most - it is one of the few mags I read page to page within hours of it dropping through the letter box - with many a laugh.
They also do actually ride and report what they find, and not just hearsay or re-gurgitate the PR pre-written for them.
I enjoy AtoB magazine more than most - it is one of the few mags I read page to page within hours of it dropping through the letter box - with many a laugh.
They also do actually ride and report what they find, and not just hearsay or re-gurgitate the PR pre-written for them.