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Old 03-12-07 | 11:26 AM
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How much do good frames cost in Japan?

I need a new frame and my housemate will be in Tokyo next month. How much does a good track frame go for over there? Is it significantly cheaper than good track frames go for here? All I want is good quality for money, not neccesarily looking for anything with panache.
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It really depends on the maker. It depends a lot on the maker.
Nagasawa is probably the hottest and most ¥ right now. That and 3rensho, of course.
What makers ARENT you interested in?
I think you once said you rode a big size?
That could pose a big problem in the hunt for your friend.
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Old 03-13-07 | 10:51 AM
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It really depends on the maker. It depends a lot on the maker.
Nagasawa is probably the hottest and most ¥ right now. That and 3rensho, of course.
What makers ARENT you interested in?
I think you once said you rode a big size?
That could pose a big problem in the hunt for your friend.
are those makers hot because they are SOOOOOO much better, or just because they are hot? I'm interested in a light, stiff, steep, preferably nice-looking steel frame.
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Old 03-13-07 | 10:52 AM
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I don't really know anything about the various makers.
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FYI, although they may not be as hot as a nagasawa, samson, 3rensho, etc., you can get a brand-new panasonic (NJS) for 74,000-yen with custom colour/stencilling, sizes 460-630mm. i expect you will need to order it to a local address, then ship it back home, if you were interested.

https://www.panabyc.co.jp/products/pos/fp28.html

i have never ridden one, so i can not comment on the ride/feel.
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Old 03-14-07 | 12:31 AM
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FYI, although they may not be as hot as a nagasawa, samson, 3rensho, etc., you can get a brand-new panasonic (NJS) for 74,000-yen with custom colour/stencilling, sizes 460-630mm. i expect you will need to order it to a local address, then ship it back home, if you were interested.

https://www.panabyc.co.jp/products/pos/fp28.html

i have never ridden one, so i can not comment on the ride/feel.

Those arent NJS afaik. ??

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Those arent NJS afaik. Ive seen one at a local shop new FS and it definately wasnt.
Who cares? They're still probably pretty sweet, though Id rather get a Bridgestone/Anchor if I were going to spend that much money.
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Old 03-14-07 | 12:36 AM
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Correction..they are in fact NJS. I did some hunting around.
Pretty good for $640 bucks

Anchors are way more money.
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Anchors are way more money.
Yeah, what I meant to say was: If I were going to spend that much (along with the buying/shipping hassle) on a Japanese frame, I'd rather spend the extra money to get one that I really want. Not that I'll ever find a 60 cm Anchor. Maybe I should look into the Panasonic; I do have a friend who just recently moved to Japan.
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Old 03-14-07 | 12:54 AM
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are those makers hot because they are SOOOOOO much better, or just because they are hot?
That depends on who you ask.
IMO, just because theyre hot.
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Track frames litter back alleys in Japan, where tortured Keirin ex-pros stumble drunk, ranting about that damned NJS and the wind resistance of such huge helmets. Most of the used frames eventually end up in piles at scrap-metal yards where they are melted down for use as doorstops. If you happen to find a used frame at a shop, chances are they'll force it on you, perhaps even offering you money to take the cursed thing off their hands. If you end up in a crooked shop where they expect you to pay for a frame like that, it'll run you something outrageous like ¥50. Highway robbery, I tell you.
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Correction..they are in fact NJS. I did some hunting around.
Pretty good for $640 bucks

Anchors are way more money.


NJS認定の純競技用トラックレーサー。
also, it will take 2 weeks...
(納品まで14日)
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Track frames litter back alleys in Japan, where tortured Keirin ex-pros stumble drunk, ranting about that damned NJS and the wind resistance of such huge helmets. Most of the used frames eventually end up in piles at scrap-metal yards where they are melted down for use as doorstops. If you happen to find a used frame at a shop, chances are they'll force it on you, perhaps even offering you money to take the cursed thing off their hands. If you end up in a crooked shop where they expect you to pay for a frame like that, it'll run you something outrageous like ¥50. Highway robbery, I tell you.
I can't tell which direction your sarcasm lays.
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Old 03-14-07 | 01:49 AM
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also, it will take 2 weeks...
Yeah pretty quick too IMO.
I might actually get one of these things eventually.
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Old 03-14-07 | 01:51 AM
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Those panasonics are smoking hot deal, i think i have found my next bike.
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Old 03-14-07 | 01:57 AM
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Wish they had better pics of it. Those pics are tiny.

Also, they have one with brake holes for weird people O_o
https://www.panabyc.co.jp/Products/pos/fp38.html

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